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Task 1 - 5 and Assignment M5 LA2 Discussion Text


Task 1: Understand The Nature of Discussion Texts

A      DISCUSSION TEXT QUIZZES.
STATEMENTS
T/F
1        The writer’s purpose is to present his or her expectations related to an issue in question.
F
2        Begins with a statement introducing writer’s opinion on the issue.
F
3        The body of discussion text presents supporting arguments for the writer’s point of view.
F
4        Arguments are supposed to be supported with facts or evidence.
T
5        The text concludes with a summary of the arguments or a recommendation for readers to help them make decisions.
T
6        An impersonal voice is used in the text.
T
7        Passive voice is used to change focus of sentences.
T
8        Quoted and reported speech is seldom found in discussion texts.
F
9        Technical terminologies are used meaningfully.
T
10    Specific phrases, e.g. on the other hand and generally, are used to introduce the other point of view.
T
11    Complex sentences are typically used in discussion texts.
T
12    Connectives are used to show logical relationship between sentences.
T
13    Conditional forms are used to create impersonal arguments for balanced discussions.
T

B       How well do you do with the quiz? Can you now identify the text structure of discussions? Match the headings on the left column with its definition in on the right. Check your answers with the answer key.
1        Purpose
2        Introduction
3        Body 1
4        Body 2
5        Conclusion
a        statement of position
b        presents differing opinions, viewpoints or perspectives on an issue.
c         arguments against plus supporting evidence
d        arguments for plus supporting evidence
e         sums up arguments or recommends one side of the argument

 

Task 2: Get The General Pictures of Discussion Texts

Now, let’s have some practice. Do the same analysis with the following discussion text samples.
Sample 1
Do we still need zoos?
Zoos were originally set up so that people could see and learn about wild animals from distant lands. As more and more people became city-dwellers, never seeing animals in the wild, zoos began to house local creatures too. However, in today’s world, are zoos really necessary?
On the other hand, there is a huge difference between watching an animal on screen and seeing it in real life. It could be argued that visiting a zoo is educational, often increasing people’s concern for wildlife and conservation, which is of great importance in today's developing – and often overdeveloped – world. Indeed, sometimes the only way to save an endangered species may be to arrange for it to be breed in captivity. Behind the scenes, zoos also provide scientists with opportunities to research into animal behaviour: modern zoos can therefore be much better planned than old-fashioned ones, providing animals with carefully designed enclosures appropriate to their needs.
It seems then, that there are still arguments for retaining zoos. These should, however, be carefully planned with the animals’ welfare in mind: in the modern world, there is no excuse for keeping animals in cramped or cruel conditions.

Title/Issue
:        
Do we still need zoos?
Introduction
:        
Zoos were originally set up so that people could see and learn about wild animals from distant lands. As more and more people became city-dwellers, never seeing animals in the wild, zoos began to house local creatures too. However, in today’s world, are zoos really necessary?
Argument Against
:        
Since people can now see any sort of wild animal in its natural habitat, simply by tuning into a TV programme or buying a video, some animal rights activists claim that zoos are out of date. They argue that it is cruel to capture animals, transport them long distances, and then keep them caged up simply for the entertainment of human beings. Captive animals often develop ‘zoochosis’ – abnormal behaviour like rocking or swaying – which indicates they are bored and unhappy in their prison-like conditions.
Argument For
:        
On the other hand, there is a huge difference between watching an animal on screen and seeing it in real life. It could be argued that visiting a zoo is educational, often increasing people’s concern for wildlife and conservation, which is of great importance in today's developing – and often overdeveloped – world. Indeed, sometimes the only way to save an endangered species may be to arrange for it to be breed in captivity. Behind the scenes, zoos also provide scientists with opportunities to research into animal behaviour: modern zoos can therefore be much better planned than old-fashioned ones, providing animals with carefully designed enclosures appropriate to their needs.
Conclusion
:        
It seems then, that there are still arguments for retaining zoos. These should, however, be carefully planned with the animals’ welfare in mind: in the modern world, there is no excuse for keeping animals in cramped or cruel conditions.

Sample 2
Should children always follow their parents’ advice?
Some people say that children should always follow their parents’ advice; others claim that this is not always right. I believe that children should follow their parents’ advice when they are young, but they should become more independent when they are older.
Young children do not know the difference between right and wrong, and a parent is the best person to teach them this. For example, a young child does not know that it is wrong to take things that do not belong to them. Parents can also teach children about dangers, both in the home and outside.
However, when children grow older they should pay less attention to their parents. This is because parents might tell a child which career to choose, and this should be the child’s decision. Parents sometimes want to tell their children how to live, but when they are grown up, they can decide for themselves. If a child doesn’t make their own decisions, he or she might grow up to be less independent and strong.
In conclusion, parents need to give young children advice on morals and safety, but not on how to live when they are older

Title/Issue
:        
Should children always follow their parents’ advice?
Introduction
:        
Some people say that children should always follow their parents’ advice; others claim that this is not always right. I believe that children should follow their parents’ advice when they are young, but they should become more independent when they are older.
Argument Against
:        
Young children do not know the difference between right and wrong, and a parent is the best person to teach them this. For example, a young child does not know that it is wrong to take things that do not belong to them. Parents can also teach children about dangers, both in the home and outside.
Argument For
:        
However, when children grow older they should pay less attention to their parents. This is because parents might tell a child which career to choose, and this should be the child’s decision. Parents sometimes want to tell their children how to live, but when they are grown up, they can decide for themselves. If a child doesn’t make their own decisions, he or she might grow up to be less independent and strong.
Conclusion
:        
In conclusion, parents need to give young children advice on morals and safety, but not on how to live when they are older

 


Task 3: Build Relevant Arguments In Discussions

A      The Introduction Section

Now you do the same steps with the following introduction sections. Study the sections and propose any necessary revision to make them more specific.

Sample 1

Zoos were originally set up so that people could see and learn about wild animals from distant lands. As more and more people became city-dwellers, never seeing animals in the wild, zoos began to house local creatures too. However, in today’s world, are zoos really necessary?
1        What is the issue of the discussion?
2        What is the writer’s position in question of the discussion?
The issue of the discussion seems to be ‘in today’s world, are zoos really necessary?’ We cannot, however, find any details in the section about what position/opinion is available regarding the issue.
1        Zoos were originally set up so that people could see and learn about wild animals from distant lands. (1st sentence kept)
2        In today’s world, however, this purpose can be served by the many educational programs and videos on wildlife available on TV as well as the internet. (2nd sentence replaced)
3        Therefore, are zoos really necessary in today’s world? (3rd sentence modified)

Sample 2

3        What is the issue of the discussion?
4        What is the writer’s position in question of the discussion?

1Some people say that children should always follow their parents’ advice; others claim that this is not always right. 2I believe that children should follow their parents’ advice when they are young, but they should become more independent when they are older.

The issue of the discussion seems to be “the children’s obedience toward parents” and the writer’s position in statement of discussion is an agreement of that but by giving additional information in the last statement.
Sentence one in this section provides information about the two points of view of this issue while the next sentence the writer states there is an exception for this issue.   

Revision
Sentence 1         It is undeniable that parents plays an important role  in our life
Sentence 2         Some people think that children should always follow their paretns' advice.
Sentence 3         However, should the children follow their parents' advice all their life?

Sample 3

1Many people hold the belief that violent movies and computer games have been the cause of increasing crime levels in many countries around the world today. 2Even though there are increasing rates of crime amongst the youth of today, I strongly disagree that television and games are at the root of this problem.

The issue of the discussion seems to be “the increasing rate of crime is caused by the violent movies and game” and the writer’s position in statement of discussion is to give the disagreement of this issue.
Sentence one in this section provides information about the issue while the next sentence the writer states there is an exception for this issue by giving a opening statement that the root of the problem us not caused by violent movies and games. 

Sentence 1         Today, the level of crime that occurs in society continues to increase.
Sentence 2         Many people hold the belief that the crime occurred because of the effect of violent movies     and computer games
Sentence 3         Even though there are increasing rates of crime today, I strongly disagree that television and                        games are at the root of this problem

B       The Body

Sample I
Since people can now see any sort of wild animal in its natural habitat, simply by tuning into a TV programme or buying a video, some animal rights activists claim that zoos are out of date. They argue that it is cruel to capture animals, transport them long distances, and then keep them caged up simply for the entertainment of human beings. Captive animals often develop ‘zoochosis’ – abnormal behaviour like rocking or swaying – which indicates they are bored and unhappy in their prison-like conditions.
On the other hand, there is a huge difference between watching an animal on screen and seeing it in real life. It could be argued that visiting a zoo is educational, often increasing people’s concern for wildlife and conservation, which is of great importance in today's developing – and often overdeveloped – world. Indeed, sometimes the only way to save an endangered species may be to arrange for it to be breed in captivity. Behind the scenes, zoos also provide scientists with opportunities to research into animal behaviour: modern zoos can therefore be much better planned than old-fashioned ones, providing animals with carefully designed enclosures appropriate to their needs.
1        What supporting arguments are used?
The supporting arguments which is used is to present the  expert’s opinion towards the animals treat before and while they are in the zoo.
2        What counter arguments are used?
The counter arguments are used is to present the comparison between watching animal in the video and seeing it in real life in the zoo.
3        Are the arguments relevant to the issue?
Yes. I think so because there are facts given by writer to support the issue.
4        Are they supported with evidence or facts?
Yes. They are supported with facts based on expert’s opinion (animal right activist)
5        Are there more and stronger arguments for the issue, or the other way round?
Keeping the animals in the zoo must have spent much money for the treatment.
Sample II
Young children do not know the difference between right and wrong, and a parent is the best person to teach them this. For example, a young child does not know that it is wrong to take things that do not belong to them. Parents can also teach children about dangers, both in the home and outside.
However, when children grow older they should pay less attention to their parents. This is because parents might tell a child which career to choose, and this should be the child’s decision. Parents sometimes want to tell their children how to live, but when they are grown up, they can decide for themselves. If a child doesn’t make their own decisions, he or she might grow up to be less independent and strong.
6        What supporting arguments are used?
The supporting arguments which is used is to describe the advantages of children obedience towards the parents because young children do not know what they should or shouldn’t do
7        What counter arguments are used?
The counter arguments are used is to present the exception situation for the children not always to obey their parents because of their age.
8        Are the arguments relevant to the issue?
Yes. I think so because the writer gives the opinion from the opposite view.
9        Are they supported with evidence or facts?
No. They are not. They are only based on the writer’s opinion.
10    Are there more and stronger arguments for the issue, or the other way round?
All parents’ command should be obeyed if it is right according to our religion.

C      The Conclusion

Sample 1
It seems then, that there are still arguments for retaining zoos. These should, however, be carefully planned with the animals’ welfare in mind: in the modern world, there is no excuse for keeping animals in cramped or cruel conditions.
1        Does the section present the writer’s point of view towards the issue?
Yes. It does. The writer has concluded that the zoo is not a problem if it becomes a safe place for animal with a good treatment.
2        Can you see if this point of view is based on the summary of the arguments?
No. It is not because a summary of the arguments. It is only about his point of view.


Sample 2
In conclusion, parents need to give young children advice on morals and safety, but not on how to live when they are older
3        Does the section present the writer’s point of view towards the issue?
Yes. I think so because the writer give his clear view of the issue
4        Can you see if this point of view is based on the summary of the arguments?
Yes. I can. The writer has concluded the supporting and counter arguments with a conclusion.

Task 4: Present A Coherent Discussion Text

A      Match the parts of a discussion essay to their different functions
Parts of an essay
Functions of essay parts
1        Introduction 

2        Main body

3        Conclusion
a        Gives some general information about the essay topic, may put forward some differing opinions and gives an answer to the essay question.
b        Describes and explains different viewpoints, arguments, advantages and disadvantages, supported by examples.
c         Summarizes all the arguments and restates your answer/opinion.

B       Put these paragraphs in the correct order to make a coherent essay by matching them to the headings below.

Headings
Paragraph
Paragraph 1 (Introduction)
In a family, both men and women should be employed outside the home and share childcare equally. To what extent do you agree with this statement?
Paragraph 2
C         Nowadays, the traditional roles of men and women have changed. More men help in the home and more women go out to work. Some people say that this is a good thing, while others say that this is a negative thing. I believe that men should go out to work and women should stay at home. I believe that this is more economically efficient, and it is also better for children.

Paragraph 3 
B         Also, women should be the main carers for their children. Although some people argue that women should be able to work outside the home, this is hard when there are children. Women give birth to the children and they need to be with them when they are small. It is also better for the children to grow up with a parent who is always at home. Being looked after by a professional career is not as good for children.
Paragraph 4 (Conclusion)
A         The economic benefits and the general benefits to children are the reasons why I believe that men should work outside the home and women should not. These traditional roles have worked successfully for a long time, so, in my opinion, they do not need to change now.

ASSIGNMENT LA2

Sample 2

5        What is the issue of the discussion?
6        What is the writer’s position in question of the discussion?

1Some people say that children should always follow their parents’ advice; others claim that this is not always right. 2I believe that children should follow their parents’ advice when they are young, but they should become more independent when they are older.

The issue of the discussion seems to be “the children’s obedience toward parents” and the writer’s position in statement of discussion is an agreement of that but by giving additional information in the last statement.
Sentence one in this section provides information about the two points of view of this issue while the next sentence the writer states there is an exception for this issue.  

Revision
Sentence 4         It is undeniable that parents plays an important role  in our life
Sentence 5         Some people think that children should always follow their paretns' advice.
Sentence 6         However, should the children follow their parents' advice all their life?

 

Sample 3

1Many people hold the belief that violent movies and computer games have been the cause of increasing crime levels in many countries around the world today. 2Even though there are increasing rates of crime amongst the youth of today, I strongly disagree that television and games are at the root of this problem.
The issue of the discussion seems to be “the increasing rate of crime is caused by the violent movies and game” and the writer’s position in statement of discussion is to give the disagreement of this issue.
Sentence one in this section provides information about the issue while the next sentence the writer states there is an exception for this issue by giving a opening statement that the root of the problem us not caused by violent movies and games. 
Sentence 4         Today, the level of crime that occurs in society continues to increase.
Sentence 5         Many people hold the belief that the crime occurred because of the effect of violent movies     and computer games
Sentence 6         Even though there are increasing rates of crime today, I strongly disagree that television and                        games are at the root of this problem

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